www.aynrandcenter.org Yaron Brook discusses sacrifice vs. trade. Excerpted from the Q&A of the lecture “Capitalism without Guilt,” given at UC Davis on November 25, 2008.
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@logtype47 Heh… You have access to her tax returns and how much she collected in SS?? By the way… you’re also wrong about her “changing her name” to collect SS. She collected under her legal name… Ayn O’Conner. She was married to Frank O’Conner at the time… and she didn’t die broke.
Rand was full of crap in a lot of ways… but not nearly so much as you. Try reading something besides alternet, kid.
Ayn Rand. What a complete scoundrel.
@coastal52 Are you even aware that she collected more in benefits than she paid in actual taxes?
@logtype47 Nonsense. Rand always advocated reclaiming moneys taken by government.
Rand in ’66.
“It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration.
Ayn Rand was a moron who thought she could survive on her own genius but when cancer threatened to wipe out the little bit of wealth she managed to put away for her old age she changed her name and applied for welfare benefits. The queen of the Libertarians, a stupid bitch preaching to the ignorant. She had a modicum of success on her own but like other so called self made successes, when she failed and she turned to the state to keep her ass off the street.
I agree with everything but the definition of sacrifice which is-
An act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else regarded as more important or worthy
Giving up the movies (a high value) for the kids (a higher value) is the definition of sacrifice.
What he is railing against isn’t sacrifice, it is better defined as self sub subservience . When we are influenced to give up our own higher value for the perceived “common” good, which we don’t value, its subservience.
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The example regarding his children rings hollow. He loves his children more than the movies. Good. But if this weren’t the case, would it be OK to deny care for his children because it was a “sacrifice”? No.
Society obliges him to take care of his children because it is beneficial for society at large. Fortunately, individuals (including parents who would rather not take care of their children) benefit from living in a society that mandates this.
Consensual trade vs. duty-based sacrifice = Capitalism vs. Collectivism (Socialism, Fascism, Communism)
@ignoranttwat
Your name suits you.
@ignoranttwat I’m not even sure what you’re talking about when you say “I can’t change your mind, nor you mine.” What am I trying to change your mind about? I’m trying to explain to you the meaning of a word. You seem to be coming to this conversation with a wall of preconceived notions. That’s the only impediment to persuasion here.
@ignoranttwat Your volatility is completely uncalled for. You think the dictionary gives you all the meaning of a word, when it often fails to offer the least bit of guidance (especially in cases of philosophy or art). I try to indicate what the dictionary definition implies despite its ineptitude, and you start slinging around insults. Face-to-face, if you were to start rambling about the meaning of words in a conversation with me, I would clarify where you’re wrong.
@ignoranttwat Yet another useless statement. In Texas, a majority of people are Christian; they believe strongly in the principle of sacrifice. Since I’m defining sacrifice, and haven’t once brought up the term Objectivism-what are you talking about exactly? People from Texas rigorously define words? I can tell you this isn’t a rule, at all. Regarding the term ‘sacrifice’ being a vague term not used properly-that’s exactly the case. People think it means anything given up for anything.
@Attritive
Oh. You’re from Texas. I wont bother you any more.
@Attritive
Look: I am not afraid to have arguments/discussions. I prefer having said arguments/discussions face to face. I think that if we met in person we would find each other agreeable and never have the tragic topic of Objectivism come up in conversation. I’m afraid objectivism seems highly idiotic to me, or perhaps “ignorant” and “arrogant” are better words. I am not going to change your opinion and nor are you mine, so let’s leave it at that.
@ignoranttwat I know you. You’re afraid to have an actual discussion. What does it matter if we talk over the internet, the phone, or face-to-face? Asserting I’m an idiot, when clearly I’m not, really has no impact. Try something more communicative.
@Attritive
- giving somethingblahblahblah, you already know what I think.
“You would refuse to think about it face-to-face, so don’t say ‘the internet means nothing’” don’t tell me that, since you don’t know me, and to close this discussion, my general position on yourself and your ideas in its crudest form:
You are stupid; fuck off.
@Attritive
“I clarified the…”
We disagree, and I haven’t really gone about the best way to convince you of my position because, in short, I don’t care much about your opinion. You are a Rand supporter and therefore a selfish and teenager-like individual who has found a pseudo-intellectual book to back up their arrogant beliefs. No one thinks a trade is a sacrifice. A trade is (usually) to give something of lesser value (to you) for something of greater value (to you). Whereas a sacrafice is-